Wednesday, October 28, 2009

Ch. 3 'Haunted by a Question'

Hello Sweet Ladies!
Before we dig into this chapter let's invite our Abba God in first.
Sweet Father, I ask you into our discussion here. I thank you for looking at us with love not judgement and I ask that you let each of us feel that love here and now. You are the definition and the living example of perfect love and we are so thankful for it. I ask that you lead our hearts and our words and that with your help we will all have a greater understanding of you when we leave here. Thank you Lord!
Amen.

I will be taking our questions from the workbook as always and I'll throw in my own now and then too! :) Fair warning: These are some tough questions that she asks and I think that is the best part. I will answer honestly here and hope that you will feel safe enough to do so yourself; if not here (in 'public') then somewhere safe for you. These answers are for your heart and God's above all else. :)

First, as you look back over the chapter, what struck you? Did you highlight anything? What did it speak to your heart?

"Every woman in the core of her being is haunted by Eve. She knows, if only when she passes a mirror, that she is not what she was meant to be. We are more keenly aware of our own shortcomings than anyone else. Remembering the glory that was once ours awakens my heart to an ache that has long gone unfulfilled. It's almost too much to hope for, too much to have lost. Are you aware of your own beauty? (Your possess it, dear one. You do.) How did you feel exploring Eve in the last chapter?"

"How does your fallen nature most often reveal itself?" "With what do you tend to indulge yourself?"

"Why do so few women have anything close to a life of romance? Loneliness and emptiness are far more common themes--so entirely common that most women buried their longings for romance long ago and are living now merely to survive, get through the week. ."
"Are you aware of loneliness deep within your heart?"

"Can you relate to my lipstick story? Are you aware of the ways in which you hide, trying not to be 'seen'?"

"When the world was young and we were innocent---both man and woman--we were 'naked and unashamed'(Gen. 2:25NKJV). Nothing to hide. Simply...glorious. And while the world was young and we too, were young and beautiful and full of life, a corner was turned. Something happened which we have heard about but never fully understood.
We fell.
The woman was convinced. The fruit looked so fresh and delicious, and it would make her so wise! So she ate some of the fruit. She also gave some to her husband who was with her. Then he ate it too(Gen 3:6 NLT).
The woman was convinced. Convinced of what? She was convinced that God was holding out on her. Convinced she could not trust his heart toward her. In order to have the life she believed she needed, she was convinced she must take matters into her own hands. And so she did."
"Look into your own heart. Ask God to gently show you where you have this tendency as well."

"Eve failed as Adam's ezer kenegdo. Rather than bringing him life, she invited him his death. And Adam failed Eve as well. He offered not his strength but his silence; not his protection but his passivity. Have you seen this played out in your life? Seen it this week? Last night?"

"Fallen Eve controls her relationships. She refuses to be venerable. . .". ". . .as C.S. Lewis said, 'Who live for others. You can tell the others by their haunted expression." "In what ways are you a controlling, dominating woman?"

Question from Kandice: Have you been on the other side of that coin and been 'desolate'? What does that look like in your own life?

"What would it be like to ask those you love and live with, what you are like to live with? Or to ask your friends, how they experience you as a woman? Too risky? Pray about it. It can be a very scary thing to do but also a very enlightening thing as well."

"Every woman knows now that she is not what she was meant to be. And she fears that soon it will be known--if it hasn't already been discovered--and that she will be abandoned. Left alone to die a death of the heart. That is a woman's worst fear-abandonment. Take a moment. Underneath, in the deepest recesses of your heart. . . .is this fear there? The fear that you will end up abandoned and alone?"

"Take a moment and invite God in. Into the places in your heart where you feel you need to hide or control or indulge in order to be safe and well. Ask him to speak to you about these places...and to give you the courage to begin to trust him with your life in ever deeper ways."
"Let's close our time today with prayer.
Dear God, merciful God. I need your help. Please forgive me for the ways that I choose to live that have nothing to do with trusting you. Please come for me. Reveal to me the ways that I live that are not pleasing to you and grant me the grace of a deep and true repentance. Please speak to my deep heart where I need to hear from you. How do you see me? Am I lovely to you? I give you permission to have your way with me. Reveal to me more of who you are God and who I am to you. Thank you. In Jesus' name. Amen."

OK I know I say this a lot with this book but WOW! This are some real revaluations for me and I am so thankful to have you all along with me! My prayer for you sweet ladies is that our Loving Father is speaking to your heart in a very personal and precious way. I know that he rejoices in this time with you His most precious daughter and so do I! Looking forward to our discussion!
With Love,
Kandice

4 comments:

  1. What struck me most in this chapter was Stasi's mention that every woman knows that she is not what she was meant to be, and fears being abandoned. This is what I am most afraid of.

    I loved exploring Eve in this chapter because it gave me a foundation for the feelings I have. Am I aware of my own beauty, then? No. Aparrently God sees it if He put it there. My question is, if He put it there, why doesn't anyone else see it?

    My fallen nature reveals itself most in my indulgences, or "affairs of the heart". Mine is more of an "affair of the mouth", though. Food never points out my failures, doesn't tell me I'm not good enough, not living right, or that I'm someone it needs a break from. It really does feel like "personal death" to imagine life without ever having sweets or unhealthy food ever again.

    I completely relate to the lipstick story. I most likely hide behind extra weight. I hide by trying to behave "well" and thoughtful and intelligent when sometimes I may just feel like appearing "regular". But I keep it up because I'm "supposed to" put my best foot forward, and show effort, and be sociable. I feel like there's no way to win. I feel I'm judged for not trying hard enough if I don't behave that way yet people insist they want me to be myself.

    I've combined the art of being both controlling AND desolate in one person. Wow, two for the price of one! I won't type in all the ways how, the book says it best, and I've done nearly all of them.

    I've felt an Adam-like passivity/abdocation from every man I've ever had a relationship with. In all likelihood, I also failed at being ezer kenegdo but that never feels quite as caustic.

    If I asked my friends how they experience me as a woman, I think they may say sweet, Godly things but I don't think I really believe them. I wonder if they are saying those things because it is their "duty" to be nice and Christian and point me to the Lord's view. I wonder if they are really thinking "God, please don't ever let me be like her!".

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  2. First, as you look back over the chapter, what struck you? Did you highlight anything? What did it speak to your heart?
    Doing little things that took me further from God. I'm not aware of my own beauty - I mean, my parents tell me I'm pretty, but I don't use beauty as one of my skills! ha! Exploring more about Eve was fascinating! Why is it that we women feel like we're being slighted in some way?

    "How does your fallen nature most often reveal itself?" The mind wandering!!! It is a total waste of time! It is a waste of space in my heart! :(
    "With what do you tend to indulge yourself?" movies. and more than a serving of anything!

    "Why do so few women have anything close to a life of romance? Loneliness and emptiness are far more common themes--so entirely common that most women buried their longings for romance long ago and are living now merely to survive, get through the week. ."
    "Are you aware of loneliness deep within your heart?" yes!

    "Can you relate to my lipstick story? Are you aware of the ways in which you hide, trying not to be 'seen'?" YES! I was always the quiet one. Never saying much or offering a new story to the mix. I would add a comment here or there, but in crowds of women, I do not want to stand out.
    I hide a lot now with my daughter (with the kids) in the toy room, or just hide behind her! letting her talk to others and be adorable, and I remain quiet.

    "Eve failed as Adam's ezer kenegdo. Rather than bringing him life, she invited him to his death. And Adam failed Eve as well. He offered not his strength but his silence; not his protection but his passivity. Have you seen this played out in your life? Seen it this week? Last night?"
    this is a loaded question - one for my heart and God.

    "Fallen Eve controls her relationships. She refuses to be venerable. . .". ". . .as C.S. Lewis said, 'Who live for others. You can tell the others by their haunted expression." "In what ways are you a controlling, dominating woman?" I don't know that I am - and If I am I would need others to tell me. I am learning just now to stand up for myself. i allowed myself to be entirely too vulnerable for long time. and even kept allowing it to someone who continually hurt me.

    Question from Kandice: Have you been on the other side of that coin and been 'desolate'? What does that look like in your own life? Yes! I've chosen to play victim for a long time. Not any longer.

    "What would it be like to ask those you love and live with, what you are like to live with? Or to ask your friends, how they experience you as a woman? Too risky? Pray about it. It can be a very scary thing to do but also a very enlightening thing as well." I will start with you, Kandice - e-mail it to me, tho! no need to spell it out here! ha! :) I know, to one I was too laid back and didn't care about time. (?) others have told me that I don't voice what I'm thinking.

    "Every woman knows now that she is not what she was meant to be. And she fears that soon it will be known--if it hasn't already been discovered--and that she will be abandoned. Left alone to die a death of the heart. That is a woman's worst fear-abandonment. Take a moment. Underneath, in the deepest recesses of your heart. . . .is this fear there? The fear that you will end up abandoned and alone?" I'm sure that fear drove me for a long time. I'm sure I still think about it - wonder if I will live the rest of my life alone. I really do cherish the beauty of a God-honoring relationship. And long to serve others this way.

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  3. First off, WOW! What a loaded chapter! I have to be honest when I started reading this chapter I had the mindset of "this is not me, I don't know what she is talking about" and then I ended it with "Oh my gosh, I DO that!"

    1.) How does your fallen nature most often reveal itself?-- I think my fallen nature is I deny that I have one or that I am controlling or I do isolate myself from others. It isn't until I read the words that controlling woman have PERFECT birthdy parties for their kids then WHAM! the truth hit me square between the eyes. I take over EVERYTHING because I feel I am the only one that can do it the 'right way'. I don't like that about myself at all. And am going to start depending on God to take that feeling of control away and entrust others.

    2.) "With what do you tend to indulge yourself?"--
    Umm..Chocolate! I am an emotional eater. Just like in the new movie 'He's Just Not That Into You' where the two women are sitting on the park bench talking about being dumped. One of the women says "Honey, go to the grocery store and get yourself some Ben and Jerry's cause you have just been dumped" I am totally guilty of that.
    3.) Why do so few women have anything close to a life of romance? --One word.. FEAR. We are scared and it is easier to not have that life and dream about it then to actually allow ourselves the pleasure.
    4.)"Can you relate to my lipstick story? Are you aware of the ways in which you hide, trying not to be 'seen'?"--I honestly have not found my "lipstick" story yet. I am sure I do something but it has not been made aware to me yet. I am sure I do hide..but I don't know how. That is something I will be praying that God will reveal to me so that He is able to start removing those from me.
    5.)Eve failed as Adam's ezer kenegdo. Rather than bringing him life, she invited him to his death. And Adam failed Eve as well. He offered not his strength but his silence; not his protection but his passivity. Have you seen this played out in your life? Seen it this week? Last night?"--Again, Wow. I have an incredible husband and my father was an incredible man. I know that I have been hurt by both of these men in my life but I do not know if it has ever been from them being passive. I was incredibly hurt by a man from my past due to his passive behavior but that is why he is a man of my past.
    6.)Fallen Eve controls her relationships. She refuses to be venerable. . .". ". . .as C.S. Lewis said, 'Who live for others. You can tell the others by their haunted expression." "In what ways are you a controlling, dominating woman?" - This is me..I live for others. Fearful that I might say the wrong thing and offend someone. Fearful that I might forget a 'Thank You' letter and have someone mad. Always polite and proper so that others see how polite and proper I am. Everything must be perfect. Perfection is EXHAUSTING!
    7.)What would it be like to ask those you love and live with, what you are like to live with? Or to ask your friends, how they experience you as a woman? Too risky?--This is something that I do believe I will do this week. Maybe this will open my eyes to see what type of woman loved ones view me as.

    This chapter really has me thinking... why do I feel the need to be in control? Why must everything be perfect? Am I afraid of failing? Questions to pray about this week...

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  4. so i decided beginning of this month to take the rest of the year to work on my identity. i am reading through victory over the darkness but i am quickly realizing that God is so incredibly awesome as he speaks to me through "captivating". i look at my life and see how he is teaching me to be "a life-offering, life-saving lover, a relational specialist, full of tender mercy and hope" in the midst of my daily life before i have even met my husband and it makes my heart sing. i see how in my life i have been convinced that God is holding out on me, that for some reason, i have to take matters into my own hands. what a relief as he is showing me how wrong i am!

    i must say that some days it is easier to see my beauty than others. some days i am comforted by the inward beauty i have and that is all i need and other days, i long to be beautiful on the outside. and no matter how many times i hear i am, it doesn't matter. there is that someone i want to hear it from...and i have to kick myself and remind me of the truth that is, HIS opinion is the only one that matters and that he DELIGHTS in my beauty. and that needs to be enough.

    my fallen nature struggles to believe the truth that i know over the lies i hear. and i too enjoy food! i am a working out feind and enjoy being healthy in that respect but i just enjoy eating as well. my fallen nature also reveals itself by letting pride take over...whether it is prideful for losing weight or knowing something that others don't or whatever...its quite ridiculous!

    am i ever aware of the lonliness! i live by myself. i wake up by myself. eat by myself. it is hard!

    hahah just the other day kandice was getting on to me for this. i was covering my stomach with my hands without even noticing it, because i don't want it to be taken notice of. i push my feelings/desires/needs aside cause i don't think i am worthy to be cherished in those ways even though i so desperately long to be!

    i think God has been showing me how i take on the role of leader because i fear whoever will not lead and be passive. i don't want to be that. i want to trust the man God has for me.

    i think my control is in ways that i don't see as clearly. i have been trying to root it out but occasionaly see it in a place i didn't know it was that. like the thought process that if i lose another 15 lbs, that will somehow be the magic number and someone would like me at that point. so i want to lose weight so that God can bring this amazing man he has for me...really? where do i come up with this stuff? stupid satan!

    i think i vasolate between the two. more on the side of desolate of my thoughts/feelings/needs aren't important i will just serve everyone else.

    honestly questions like that excite me. i like being able to work on myself and become healthier and better. i sat too long in the stentch of lies and not a fun person to be around to ever want to stay there!

    it is my biggest fear. that i am alone right now and i will always be alone. i have awesome friends but you can only do so much life with friends. they have lives too! GOd is good though, reminding me that he is in fact enough...if i will just be still and know that he is God.

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